In this episode, I welcome back MaryCay Durrant for a conversation about something healthcare leaders often struggle to make time for: slowing down and building meaningful relationships with their teams.

We discuss why even the most talented teams can struggle when people are constantly focused on getting things done. MaryCay shares how she uses nature and horses to help executive teams recognize patterns in their behavior, have difficult conversations, and build trust in ways that traditional meetings often cannot.

We also explore the hidden costs of constantly pushing forward without taking time to connect. When leaders overlook the human side of their organizations, they risk losing the energy, engagement, and commitment of the very people they depend on.

One of my favorite takeaways is MaryCay's concept of Return on Energy (ROE). Beyond measuring productivity and results, leaders need to pay attention to what gives their people energy and what drains it. Sometimes, a few minutes of intentional reflection can make a meaningful difference.

This conversation is a reminder that effective leadership doesn't always require complicated solutions. Sometimes, the most important thing we can do is slow down, listen, and make room for people to connect.

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